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John Keegan was for many years senior lecturer in military history at the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, and has been a fellow at Princeton University and a professor of history at Vassar College. He is the author of thirteen previous books, including the acclaimed The Face of Battle and The Second World War. He lives in Wiltshire, England. Keegan was recently knighted by Queen Elizabeth.

Reprint of an article from LookSmart [see full credits below]

Daniel Snowman talks to Britain's most distinguished military historian and the Defence Editor of the Daily Telegraph.

In and all around his desk piles of books jostle for space with as yet unanswered letters of congratulation. John Keegan was knighted in the Millennium honours and is still not quite used to the idea. We were sitting in Keegan's office in the large manor house in rural Wiltshire that he and his wife Susanne (author of books on Alma Mahler and Kokoschka) acquired fifteen years ago.

Maybe it was the West Country air. Or the fact that, shortly after the house move, Keegan quit his job lecturing at Sandhurst and joined the Daily Telegraph. Whatever the cause, the effects were a cascade of major works: The Mask of Command (a study of generalship), substantial military histories of both world wars, an elegant peregrination around the battlefields of North America, the colossally ambitious History of Warfare and the BBC's 1998 Reith Lectures, War and Our World. All these (not to mention an anthology of `great military writing') constitute an astonishing efflorescence of talent that, by Keegan's own admission, remained many years in the bud.

Born in 1934, Keegan is of Irish Catholic extraction on both sides. His father was a schools inspector in Clapham whose district was evacuated during the war to the Dorset-Somerset borders, where Keegan still remembers seeing US troops mobilising for D-Day. Struck down by tuberculosis as an adolescent, Keegan spent his mid-teens in hospital beds just when other boys were learning the rituals of emerging masculinity. A pair of kindly teachers in the hospital school, followed by two years at Wimbledon College, a Jesuit school, helped equip the boy to get into Oxford in 1953.

At Balliol, Keegan, walking painfully with a stick, was surrounded by robust, self-assured young men, most of them just out of National Service. They were a bright lot and included a future Lord Chief Justice (Bingham), two Northern Ireland Secretaries (Peter Brooke and Patrick Mayhew), the writer Ved Mehta and the historians Keith Thomas and Maurice Keen. Keegan read history at Balliol, learning about the Middle Ages from Richard Southern and the seventeenth century from Christopher Hill, and chose as his special subject `Military History and the Theory of War'. After a six-month trip through the USA with Maurice Keen (later a brother-in-law), Keegan worked for a couple of years at the American Embassy in London. He was nearly twenty-six when, in 1960, his first `proper' job materialised; he was to keep it for the next twenty-six.

In many ways Keegan found the Royal Military Academy, Sandhurst, to be like an Oxford college, with beautiful grounds and buildings and the camaraderie of intelligent and motivated young men. But there was a fundamental difference. At Oxford, the intellectual ethos had encouraged the dialectic of debate, dispute and disagreement and the active entertaining of alternative hypotheses; at Sandhurst, Keegan lectured on military history to officer cadets who were training to become part of a chain of command in which you learned to accept, not argue with, the instructions of superiors. As Keegan acknowledged in the opening pages of his first important book, The Face of Battle, published in 1976: `the atmosphere and surroundings of Sandhurst are not conducive to a realistic treatment of war'. So how did this Balliol-trained historian adjust to what he called the `stern, professional, monocular outlook' of the student-officer? The answer is that Keegan loved Sandhurst and Sandhurst evidently loved him. The company was congenial, the library well stocked, the institution endowed with a sense of purpose. `The British army,' Keegan maintains, `is a remarkably liberal and open-minded organisation in which there is great freedom of discussion -- so long as you don't undermine or condemn its central values.' Like a Jesuit college perhaps.

In The Face of Battle, Keegan addresses what he calls `the central question': what it is like being in a battle -- something none of his young charges at Sandhurst could have known and which he himself, because of his disability, would never experience. Concentrating on three very different confrontations -- Agincourt, Waterloo and the Somme -- Keegan begins with an elegant historiographical essay on the nature of military history. He reflects on why military history tends to be written by victors, or at least from territories that have not hosted great wars, and whether this has to be the case, and he pays homage to predecessors from Thucydides to Ranke to Michael Howard.

In this most humane of battle books, Keegan calls upon a wide range of data: priests who wrote eye-witness accounts of Agincourt, William Siborne who sent a questionnaire (possibly the first in history) to surviving British officers who fought at Waterloo, official reports, letters, memoirs, anecdotes and poetic recreations. Not for Keegan a simple tactics-and-triumph approach. The battles he describes unleash the deepest fears and most violent passions, and Keegan reflects on what leads men to expose themselves to the possibility of severe pain and death. In the final chapter he attempts the bold task of comparing the three battles as to severity, length, danger to participants, technical difficulty and so on, and drawing broad conclusions. Keegan -- writing at the height of the cold war -- concludes that, whatever the soldiers and politicians might say, `the suspicion grows that battle has already abolished itself'.

This was not Keegan's first book; there had been half-a-dozen pot-boilers in the 1960s for `Ballantine's Illustrated History of the Violent Century' (where fellow toilers included Paul Kennedy, Roger Manvell, Noble Frankland, Nicolai Tolstoy and Christopher Hibbert). But The Face of Battle was the work that catapulted him to fame. And once adopted as the US Book of the Month Club choice, it brought John and Susanne a welcome burst of unaccustomed wealth as they raised their four children.

Over the next decade, Keegan worked on a number of writing projects. He conceived the idea of a military equivalent of Jane's Fighting Ships, an encyclopaedia of the world's armies which, naturally, he would have to update each year. It lasted for two editions. He wrote a book about Normandy and the bulk of John Gau TV series Soldiers (with his Sandhurst colleague Richard Holmes).

By now, the love affair with Sandhurst was cooling. Keegan had been there for a quarter of a century, was himself over 50 and felt he still had a lot more `proper' books in him. Few people keen to write learned tomes leave an academic environment for a newspaper. But Keegan had already acquired a taste for journalism, notably when he wrote on the Falklands War for The Spectator (under an assumed name), and he joined the Daily Telegraph in 1986 as Defence Correspondent (later restyled Defence `Editor', which meant more think pieces and less travelling).

He celebrated his change of life with the publication of The Mask of Command (1987), a counterpart to The Face of Battle. Each studied a variety of military confrontations from different times and places and drew general conclusions. But while the earlier book had examined the experience of battle for ordinary participants, The Mask of Command reversed the telescope and looked at military leaders: Alexander, Wellington (the only point of overlap between the two books), Grant and Hitler. As before, Keegan starts and ends with speculative chapters, this time reflecting on the heroic -- or `anti-heroic' -- nature of generalship. Throughout he is concerned to identify the nature of the mask that all leaders, especially perhaps military leaders, are required to wear if they are to be effective.

What comes across is the energy, tenacity, stamina -- and ruthlessness -- of military leaders. Alexander `moved with ferocious rapidity' to quell plots against him; Wellington at Waterloo slept nine hours in ninety. The general must show himself to his followers and create a bond of kinship between himself and them -- perhaps (like Alexander) by seeming godlike and invincible, or else (like Grant `galloping from place to place ... to rally shaken regiments, encourage subordinates and send reinforcements to the front') by seeming to be one of them. The military leader who loses the confidence of his followers, as Hitler did even before the military tide had begun to turn against him, is lost.

The parallels with politics are close and it is striking that all the commanders Keegan considers -- like Caesar, Napoleon and Eisenhower -- exercised political as well as military power. Keegan is much concerned throughout his writing with the relationship between the two. War, he starkly asserts at the outset of his History of Warfare (1993), `is not the continuation of politics by other means'. He hastens to explain that what Clausewitz actually wrote (that war is the continuation of `political intercourse with the intermixing of other means') was subtler and threw useful light on warfare in an age of nation-states. But he feels that the Clausewitzian analysis has little relevance to pre- and non-state conflict. The Prussian sage was useful, but primarily about his own time and place.

The History of Warfare stretches the parameters of military history (and one senses it probably stretched its author) to the limits. It certainly takes the subject way beyond Clausewitz. Chronologically Keegan covers four thousand years of history and geographically the entire world. In the course of a dazzling survey, we visit places as far apart as Easter Island, Ancient China, imperial Rome and the Aztecs of Mexico and encounter Attila, Genghis Khan, Muslim Mamelukes and Japanese samurai, in addition to the great landmarks of European and American military history that more commonly delineate Keegan's chosen territory. The book is structured around the great technological developments in military history from stones to swords, forts to horses and guns to bombs, but Keegan also considers social and economic influences upon warfare, psychological and anthropological drives and factors such as climate and terrain. The plot is complex but the conclusion simple: politics must continue, but war cannot.

Many historical surveys fatten out as they approach modern times. A History of Warfare tapers off once it enters the nineteenth century. Keegan had after all already written about Wellington and Grant, the Somme, the armies of Normandy and Hitler. For those who wanted more, he had recently completed a military history of the Second World War (1989) and was soon to publish one on the First (1998). Between times he had also managed to produce an excursus on the military sites of North America (Warpaths, 1995) that cleverly married theme and chronology. Keegan has a big following in the USA and was invited to advise President Clinton on what he should say at the D-Day fiftieth anniversary celebrations. (His advice, which Clinton took, was not to forget the contribution of the Canadians.)

As he looks back over his furious productivity these past fifteen years, Keegan remains passionately convinced of the importance of military history. Yet he manages to retain a healthy distance from its idiosyncrasies. He laughs in hearty agreement when, with apologies to Joseph Heller, I suggest that in order to want to become a soldier yon must be a bit mad -- but that anybody who is mad isn't allowed to be one. Is there something hidden away deep inside his own constitution that would love to have been a soldier, perhaps one of the great generals he admires? `No, never, never, never,' he repeats with staccato emphasis. `I'm quite unsuited to being a soldier.' Why? `Oh, I'm the wrong temperament. I'm very rebellious by nature,' he asserts and, spotting my scepticism, adds: `I know I don't appear to be but I am. I fly off the handle very quickly. I'm super-critical.' One can see why he and Sandhurst finally parted company.

Keegan fell to musing on further paradoxes, catches and misconceptions of military life. Armchair strategists love to talk of `decisive' battles; but few battles are truly decisive in the sense of solving the problem that stimulated them. Easy victories may cause temporary exultation among the victors (e.g. Israel in 1967), but the results rarely stick. Nor do conflicts where the vanquished do not believe they were fairly defeated (the French in 1870, the Germans in 1918). The `ideal' war, or battle, is a struggle such as Waterloo between two more or less equal sides in which one eventually suffers collapse and both accept the result and agree to move on. Such conflicts may be conclusive, Keegan says, but they are rare. People also talk glibly about military' strategy; yet Keegan has found that, time and again, extrinsic events rather than strategic intent determine the outcome of a military campaign. In his book on the First World War, Keegan shows how the Schlieffen Plan, a formula for `quick victory in a short war', directed Germany towards an unachievable strategy, thus helping plunge Europe into a four-year conflict no one wanted. Indeed, since the Second World War was in many ways an outcome of the First, he suggests that the Plan was arguably `the most important official document of the last hundred years, for what it caused to ensue on the field of battle, the hopes it inspired, the hopes it dashed, were to have consequences that persist to this day'.

Keegan is no peacenik, and he claims that the Gulf War, for example, was a classic `Just War' as defined by Grotius. But he has no love of war or illusions about its nature. Every day of his life, he says, he wrestles with the further paradox that, among those who have chosen to confront and if necessary commit the most appallingly inhumane actions, he has encountered some of the most charming, civilised and high-minded people one could ever hope to meet. Nobody, says Keegan, is more disgusted by the horror of war than the generals who, in the last resort, are called upon to fight it. It was a point he reiterated at the culmination of his 1998 Reith Lectures, War and Our World.

Recorded in a variety of locations before invited audiences, Keegan's lectures received extraordinarily reclame. `Give War A Chance!' said the Sunday Times headline over an article commending the series; the Guardian's Anne Karpf, expecting to scoff, was held rapt. Keegan used the BBC's prestigious platform to present his distillation of a lifetime's learning. He placed war in the context of history's other apocalyptic scourges, painted a poignant portrait of the delivery and receipt of bereavement messages from the front, asked whether a state is defined by its capacity to make war (and was rude again to Clausewitz) and pointed to the `non-state' wars that have increasingly characterised the post-Cold War era.

How does Keegan see the future of warfare? He senses that major wars have become impossible and that the great military powers seem increasingly prepared to try to contain the smaller-scale local conflicts that currently afflict the world. He cites the way the Russians, the traditional protectors of Serbia, behaved with restraint and maturity in their dealings with NATO over the crisis in Kosovo. We are not there yet, of course. A world besmirched by the bloodshed of Grozny and Dili, Eritrea and Angola, can hardly be regarded as free of warfare. Keegan argues for greater restrictions on the production and international distribution of cheap armaments, and urges that the peacekeeping and peace-making activities of the United Nations be strengthened. But when pressed, he admits to being guardedly optimistic about the future. And that, from our newest historical knight, is source for comfort.

Daniel Snowman's most recent book (with Asa Briggs) was about ends of centuries. He is currently writing a book about the impact on British cultural history of the `Hitler emigres'.

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Online Materials, Articles
Sir Winston Churchill by John Keegan
The Person of the Year 2003: the American GI
Tough Decisions at Baghdad Gates (March 2003)
With hearts and minds, up against hearts of darkness
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The Amazon of Peshawar The Atlantic Online, April 1986

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Books by John Keegan

A History of Warfare
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The Face of Battle
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The Mask of Command
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The Book of War
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Intelligence in War
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The Second World War
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The Price of Admiralty: The Evolution of Naval Warfare
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Other Books by John Keegan [summary]

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WORLD IN FOCUS
Interview with Sir John Keegan


Broadcast: 10/10/2001
Interviewer: Jennifer Byrne [cited below]

Sir John Keegan has spent his life studying and lecturing on war. But his scholarly dispassion deserted him when discussing the war on terrorism. Jennifer Byrne spoke to Sir John at his home in Wiltshire, U.K., just before the U.S. retaliatory strike, and began by asking him if there had been any way to avoid the Afghanistan conflict.

Transcript:

Keegan: Oh a conflict is avoidable in the sense that you could just sit and wait for it, but if we don't want that to... if we don't want another occurrence then we have to attempt to eliminate them. It's really as harsh as that.

Byrne: Explain, what do you mean by eliminate them ?

Keegan: Oh kill them I think. Actually get rid of, physically get rid of them. There's nobody to deal with. You can't rationalise - how can you reason with somebody who actually wants to die?

Byrne: Who do we eliminate?

Keegan: Well if they are trying to kill you, on the whole they're the people you have to kill aren't they?

Byrne: Really, that simple?

Keegan: Well they've killed 7,000 people in New York in the twinkling of an eye. Just think if they get their hands on nuclear weapons, they'll kill 70,000 people... 700,000 people. In the twinkling of an eye they'll do it.

Byrne: Well that could be the Al Qaeda network, loose as it is, but does one extend, does one then go to terrorist networks everywhere?

Keegan: Some people are more terrorist than others. And if it's shown that the US and its allies does have the capacity to run them down and eliminate them - although some will seek the glory still of dying - in a way it becomes less of a point really. I think to be shot in a mountain valley somewhere or other is altogether less glorious than crashing an airliner into a skyscraper.. I mean there's some evidence that Gaddafi of Libya got much less keen on sponsoring terrorism since America bombed him in 1986.

Byrne: How do you see this network? I mean, as a historian who has studied movements and nation states, are they utterly unprecedented?

Keegan: Oh no, not at all. It's very.... it's very Islamic, but particularly very Arab - and you can see that it has its roots in Islamic but particularly Arab Islamic style of war making that goes back to the 7th century AD. The surprise attack... victory... killing for its own sake. That's really how the Arabs achieved their great conquests - they weren't stand-up, face to face battles of the Western sort.. they were large scale raids.

Although it was truly unprecedented, what they did - and although it was so horrifying and horrifyingly spectacular, that for a moment one thought, well, it has no connection with anything - when I began to think about it I did see it belonging in a style of warfare - a distinctive style of warfare.

Byrne: Is there any room for international justice here?

Keegan: Ah now that is a very very big question, because the world is dividing itself into those who believe that world order should be based on an international system of criminal investigation and trial and those who say if you put lawyers in charge nothing ever happens - and that's the soldiers' view and the view of the executive branch of government in countries like the United States and Britain - and I think the executive view is absolutely correct. If we put affairs into the hands of a nascent, not yet developed, international justice system we could be here for years and years and years. We could be here while the first nuclear terrorist outrage takes place.

Byrne: And you see that that is the continuum - that's where these sorts of assaults will lead.

Keegan: Oh I should think that Osama bin Laden when he goes down to say his daily prayers, says please God bring me nuclear weapons. And he's trying very very hard to get hold of them. And it won't just be one nuclear weapon, they'll let off six at the same time in six of the world's greatest cities.

Byrne: You've written that World War 2 was beyond question the outcome of World War 1 -it was almost its continuation - where are the roots of this conflict?

Keegan: Where are the roots to this conflict? ... I'm afraid to say that I think they're in the history of ... the history of the Arab conquests and of the rise ... rise and spread and fall and rise of Islam.

Byrne: It's their fault?

Keegan: Not necessarily their fault but in the nature ... in the nature of their beliefs.

Byrne: Really? You wouldn't have been allowed to say that it would have been absolutely politically incorrect before this.

Keegan: I'm a historian... and historians if they don't tell the truth as they see it what use are they? I mean they can't be politically correct. History isn't politically correct and if a historian's job is to write or speak the story of history then one cannot be politically correct. I think we can take some hope from history here - and that is hope in the very marked tendency of Islam to fluctuate in intensity. The Islam of the early conquests of the 7th and 8th century was Messianic - although of course that is a Christian word. It was an extraordinarily vital and energetic religion then it turned in on itself. The Islam of the 18th, 19th and first half of the 20th century was a poor thing. Nobody bothered about it. Islam was that funny sort of pure system of beliefs, that depressed people in the Middle East held as their religion - and the revival of Islam dates from the early years of the 20th century - no longer than that - the Arabs awakening. It was brought about by their humiliation... by their sense of how low they'd fallen compared with the West.

Byrne: And do you believe that Bin Laden and Al Quade comes out of that?

Keegan: I don't think it's so much the material achievements of Islam which were considerable in their day - which is so important to them as the true belief - the word of God. What dominates their life is the belief that Islam is the only thing in this world, you know - the living life around us is Islam.

Byrne: World War I of course, three empires collapsed, the whole map ... the atlas, was changed. World War 2 Europe was divided - the cold war came about. Will geography be reformed as a result of this conflict, this war?

Keegan: We may have to have a geo-political re-grouping or major geo-political changes. If it can be squashed quickly ... if we can satisfy ourselves that it's limited to an identifiable number of groups and we can get rid of them quickly, I think things could go on as they are. But ... I'm not very hopeful. When I allow myself to think about it I grow very, very pessimistic.

Byrne: Really?

Keegan: Extremely pessimistic - because of this awful, awful danger that they'll get their hands on nuclear weapons. Ahh ... because you see ... they don't care. Curiously, in my club in London about a week after the disaster I was sitting opposite a very, very well known British newspaper commentator who said to me, "Well I s'pose after a bit it will all be the same again won't it?" and I looked at him with complete astonishment. I was struck dumb. And I thought I just cannot believe it. How on earth can you think that?

Byrne: From what you're saying you would agree with what one hears a lot - that things will never be the same - that things have changed after September 11.

Keegan: We ended the totalitarian division between liberal states and totalitarian states without a nuclear war. I thought life's wonderful ... we're going to have peace for ever - and then of course, round the corner - the corner you weren't watching - something that you'd never thought of popped up. And what popped up was terrifying - IS terrifying - truly, truly terrifying - and every optimistic idea that one had has suddenly flopped.

Here Keegan in interview. click here



Nancy R. Fenn

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